Google Algorithm Updates - 2024 Ongoing Discussion

I can share my progress with disavow so far.
I have 3 sites and all with a few fiverr links only and I got all links sent to me by excel so it was easy to submit it to the disavow tool.

We are around 30 days now when I did the disavow and no site have recovered yet, all different ages, niches, articles etc.
 
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Why?

Zoro said:
I can share my progress with disavow so far.
I have 3 sites and all with a few fiverr links only and I got all links sent to me by excel so it was easy to submit it to the disavow tool.

We are around 30 days now when I did the disavow and no site have recovered yet, all different ages, niches, articles etc.
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Same. Knowing how Google's ranking systems use hundreds of data points, I really doubt we could have tricked it by doing "one simple trick."

The only winner in this whole spiel was the guy who made LRT. $2000 for a link aggregator. Come on. He doesn't even run the spiders or database. lol.
 
Backlinks are the first tier of fixing things. Just because your process/the process you bought/you disavowed everything a tool told you to didn't work doesn't mean it won't work in other situations.

I spent hours working through lists and the single biggest thing I caught was hacked sites.

Sites that when you use a Googlebot User agent the page looks like spun shit content that was an old school manipulation tactic. When using a normal browser User Agent the page either 404s or redirects to a phishing sites. If you visit the homepage, it is a legitimate business with real traffic and ranking for real keywords. The site has been hacked and a new subfolder has been added which is spinning up a crazy amount of content connecting to more garbage pages and other hacked sites within the network.

So, no I don't believe Google can catch everything because they crawl from specific user agents which has been pretty pubic knowledge for a while. If they can account for all the smokescreen bullshit that I've found then good for them. I don't fully trust that they can tell the difference from an algorithmic standpoint, so I'm fine with helping them by submitting a disavow file.

If your site isn't big enough to get caught up in this, cool. That likely means that a disavow file may not help. So start looking at the next tier and fix your content and internal linking. This wasn't a silver bullet to fix all problems, this was a solution to fix one sub-problem in one tier or issues to check.

If the disavow file upload didn't change things after a few weeks/a month then move on to the next thing and stop waiting and hoping for things to change.

I'll gladly share what I'm finding within anyone who's looking for ways to fix their site but this thread is starting to become stupid with the bitching about "the disavow doesn't work." That's 1/100th of the equation. Figure out the next part.
 
Spend a few days combing through Ahrefs/SEMrush/LRT and Search Console.
Disavowed 6k domains
This amounted to around 20,000 URL's that i submitted to indexing platforms and sent blog spam to

9 days and still no movement. I still have hope though
 
TIL people still flock to the internet and "guru's" on Reddit/Twitter for their answers and advice when they get in a SEO bind, while claiming that they themselves are SEO's.

This is why the doers of the world end up with all the gold nuggets, and everyone else is left empty handed with no course of action.. but waiting on the poisoned crumbs the social media guru's of the world hand out.
 
It's all about patterns as I see it, of which a shitty link profile is one, but not necessarily the only thing.

The HCU and similar updates are binary, you are either good or you are bad, but the factors that go into it are most likely not binary, because Google has access to user data (pogo-sticking), backlink data, contextual language analysis and technical on-site data. Each of these can have flags and a machine learning model would be set out to create some kind of linear regression model in which each are weighed according to current "bad site" metrics.

The core of the training of this model is the manual spam review raters guidelines. Tens of thousands sites get marked spam or not-spam manually and the machine learning model is set onto it. The mistake some people make is to think that it's only what the reviewers see that is fed into it. No, of course they also look at the backlink profile of those marked spam. They were manually identified as spam without looking at backlink or user metrixs, but the machine learning algo likely has access to both backlinks and user metrics.

This is why you likely won't see any results from any single thing and you might be in a situation where if you do nothing, you might bounce back in a few years, when current "spammy" methods are no longer used and thus, a new massive manual spam review dataset would have other things for the machine algo to train on.
 
Disavow only works if you have good links and got nuked by spam farms....
If you don't have any good links........
If you havn't hit the threshold for getting dinged by the spam farms......

Also, there's some much nastier neg seo than link spam in large scale use so ugh......
 
secretagentdad said:
Disavow only works if you have good links and got nuked by spam farms....
If you don't have any good links........
If you havn't hit the threshold for getting dinged by the spam farms......

Also, there's some much nastier neg seo than link spam in large scale use so ugh......
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I have to agree, but my angle is slightly different.

The largest lesson I learned with SEO was to be a pig, instead of a hog.

Why?

Hogs get slaughtered, pigs get fat.

I have a ton of little sites. Too many for me to keep track of, too many for me to remember the login's to.

They have ranked top of Google, without a single hit from an algo since 2006. And no, they aren't all old ancient sites and domains. Some I made within the last 3 years.

Checks still roll in every month from affiliate networks, Nozzle still reports about 95% of their terms in the top 1-4 placements.

I think it's largely because I didn't try.

I didn't try to grow them, I didn't try to be number 1 ( even though I am, in the serps for a lot of them ). I didn't try to grow the link base. etc. I write an article for them and put them on the sites, like once or twice a year.

I don't even interlink the pages on the sites.

I didn't want to be in a "hog" niche. I didn't want to be a "hog" in even a small niche. I do have some that could be consider hoggish like the stuff I have in the financial space, but the majority isn't.

I literally pick shit no one else would, that just happens to have an affiliate program.. and I build that and leave it alone. I might be the only active affiliate some of these programs have.

And a ton of them, have Ai content on them now and that shit ranks too.

Don't try so hard. Treat it like a hobby.
 
the Ole' "Hogging trick" lol, eliquid is over here like "oink oink motherfuckers!" lol, funny shit.
 
eliquid said:
I have to agree, but my angle is slightly different.

The largest lesson I learned with SEO was to be a pig, instead of a hog.

Why?

Hogs get slaughtered, pigs get fat.

I have a ton of little sites. Too many for me to keep track of, too many for me to remember the login's to.

They have ranked top of Google, without a single hit from an algo since 2006. And no, they aren't all old ancient sites and domains. Some I made within the last 3 years.

Checks still roll in every month from affiliate networks, Nozzle still reports about 95% of their terms in the top 1-4 placements.

I think it's largely because I didn't try.

I didn't try to grow them, I didn't try to be number 1 ( even though I am, in the serps for a lot of them ). I didn't try to grow the link base. etc. I write an article for them and put them on the sites, like once or twice a year.

I don't even interlink the pages on the sites.

I didn't want to be in a "hog" niche. I didn't want to be a "hog" in even a small niche. I do have some that could be consider hoggish like the stuff I have in the financial space, but the majority isn't.

I literally pick shit no one else would, that just happens to have an affiliate program.. and I build that and leave it alone. I might be the only active affiliate some of these programs have.

And a ton of them, have Ai content on them now and that shit ranks too.

Don't try so hard. Treat it like a hobby.
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This is so fucking true. If you try to double your income at a job, they want you to work 4x more. It's just easier to please your boss, do the bare minimum to leave a good impression, and get another remote job. I'm at 2 and might go to 3.

I know PPC agencies who charge $600/month for PPC. It's for restaurants and shit. They just start the campaign, turn performance max on, and send reports every month. They haven't touched the campaigns since they started but, the customer got a cheap PPC channel taken care of! The agency puts 30 clients to an employee. Sounds a lot but the employee mostly produces reports and not actually PPC. Again, you're so right.

Much respect, sir.
 
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